November 20, 2017

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  • anti semite

    Блин, я в восторге от Трампа!
    Вспомите мои слова: найдется Самуил Исаакович Шварцбурд (см. ссылку) на нашего Дональда
    Кстати, земляк Жанны
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%86%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B4,_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%83%D0%B8%D0%BB_%D0%98%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

  • David

    Kstati, what is the difference between “I could shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose any voters” and “I could shoot the president and become a hero”? May be it is not only democrats and”left” press who are responsible for this level of dialogue.

    Exelence in journalism, as has been mentioned in other posts, is not to blame one side, defend the president, and expand haterade towards an opponent, but may be let people think and analyze, try to bring us together, when president fails to do this.

  • angar18

    Sorry, I’m leaving this discussion.

  • angar18

    Есть разница между пародией и издевательством. Есть разница между мнением и желанием эпатажа ( звоните Мадонне за разьяснением). Жанна отметила, что она открыта для критики Президента Трампа. Но она против огульного обливания помоями-это то, что СМИ делают. Отношение Трампа к женщинам? Как сказано ( слегка перефразирую)”Пусть бросит в него камень тот, кто не живет в стеклянном доме.” Я не считаю, что он сделал что-то, что могло бы спровоцировать этот феминистический цунами ( хорошо проплаченный и организованный). Может поговорим о Камелоте Кеннеди и его монашеской ипостати? В тоже самое время не считаю Трампа ангелом. Он не политик. Он бизнесмен. И весь его кабинет-это успешные бизнесмены и профи, в отличии от Клопов-Говорунов ( см. Страугацкие “Skazka o Trojke”)

    Ни о какой более менее обьективной осветке Трампа и его кабинета вообще нет речи. Все подвергается проверке фактов. Удивительное пробуждение. Почему-то до сих пор не найдено ни одного документа потверждающего Обаму в Колумбийском Универе. И ни одного сокурсника. Ну, это так, мимоходом.

    Давайте судить по делам. Уже первые попытки настраивают меня на более оптимистический лад, чем предыдущие 8 лет.

    И последнее: никто не отмывает республиканцев. Они намного хуже демократров. Демократы топили оппонента. Республиканцы-своего. И до последнего дня. См. Пола Раяна и Ромни и МкКейна итд. Я голосовал за Трампа. Предпочел бы, чтобы у него была своя партия. Республиканская предала Линкольна и основные принципы республиканционизма.

    Да, а насчет актеров. Вообщем-то, правильно. Люди которые получают много , произнося написанный для них текст, в выстроенных декорациях, понятия не имеющие ни о чем, кроме базовых актерских навыков, не могут приниматься всерьез. Лицедеи-они и есть.

    • David

      Are you serious that the rally all over the world was well paid. It sound like “zido-massonskiy zagovor”. When we can not analyze the reason that so many people came to demonstration, we call it,”they got paid”: “хорошо проплаченный и организованный”. It solves all the problems. You kill an opponent on the spot, you are right. How haven’t I though about it. when it is so obvious. People was just got paid to protest against Trump. It make you stop thinking, what is actually going on, and why so many people disagree.

      And about “огульного обливания помоями” – poor Trump. I am very sorry about him. But do not worry, our businessman-hero does not need to be defended, he will tweet something back. This is a new “post-truth” world.

      And yes, I agree with you, everything now will be checked and argued. The greatest good that Trump brought to this world, that many liberals (and I am not afraid of this word, and I proud to be one of them) , and critically thinking people woke up. How on Earth we make America a country which deserves such president. We make a lot of mess, we make Clinton prosper, and we elected Trump. Time to wake up, and not talk about a treason, or paid demonstrations.

      • kstati

        Слушайте, ну сваливали бы вы куда, все равно же вас, хоть под какими бы никами вы ни вылазили, забаню

        Ваш идиотизм же прет на любом языке.

        • David

          Класс! Поздравляю! Прочли, разозлилесь, и даже обиделись. Следующий шаг – задуматься. Я в Вас верю…

          А зачем же так грубо? Зачем же так себя то подствлять, ведь учительница же, журналистка, просто пример всем. Другие же прочтут. Что о Вас подумают? Молодец! 5 баллов. Как она отпарировала его! Идиот, да и только!
          Прочем, все понятно, у Вам есть у кого учиться. Уровень диалога как у нашего лидера.

    • anti semite

      Почему бизнесмен с приблатненой риторикой и манерами владельца гаража и с неоднознзчо безупречной репутацией как бизнесмен должен быть президентом крупнейшей державы мира-обьясните мне, я чего-то не улавливаю, Ангар

  • anti semite

    Трудно с Вами, Жанна, не согласиться.
    Мой долгий жизненный опыт говорит о том, что в таких дискуссиях стороны не сближаются в своих взглядах, а только ожесточаются, радикализируются. Стоит ли тратить на них время и силы?

    • David

      Да стоит. Говорить всегда стоит. Только не спускаться на уровень оппонента. А по поводу школы, да же смешно слушать. Мы все выросли на том что в школе одно а дома другое, так и думать научились. А если Ньюсомых, демократов, Трампов, за чистую монету воспринимать, как наша уважаемая Жанна. то точно мозги будут запудрены
      Ну прямо как в Совке, жалуемся что наши письма не читают: “Мы не просто в город Ваш приехали, а по приглашению”. Но то ж юморист писал, может и это так же 🙂

  • David

    I usually do not spend much time reading Russian sites, but recently one of my student told me that I am not a typical Russian and think very differently. So I decide to check what is actually going on.
    Dear Janna, you write very well, and I enjoyed the style. What bothered me is not a style but a context. I considered usually that journalists, teachers, and “intellegenticia” always question the authority. Now I am reading such a blessing for Trump, that make me really scary, about our ability to think critically. It is really surprising to think that in American politics there are good – republicans and bad – democrats. The latter are not just bad, they are evil, they are everything what we were afraid in our ex-country – socialism, communism, bolshevism, etc… But republicans are great, economy first, no socialism, freedom, etc. etc… Such primitive view of America. Such a primitive view of liberalism. America is great country, exactly because we have both sides. Exactly because republican can not do everything what they want because there are democrats and visa versa.

    Since when an elected president needs defense from a Russian journalist. Janna, are you serious that he is needed to be defended from left press and from evil democrats? This is really funny. Trump is part of the system, he exactly knows how to manipulate his party and people to achieve his goal. he is excellent politician, he is like other, just decided to use different ways to come to power. I strongly believe that the main role of journalist is to question every step of the president. Do we really think that all success of this country is due to republican party, really?

    I do not see much difference between discussion about the killing president (btw, this will be terrible), and crowd cheering “lock her up”, or your statement, that calling for women march is a call for a war and should be considered as a treason. It is just political instruments, which you are using exactly in the same way as democrats. This is exactly the level of dialogue what bothered me in the current political situation.

    Talking about the women March: I did not understand your point, about Trump relationship to the women. Instead of analysis, critique or support, you compared it to Clinton, Clinton is also bad… Ya, surprise, we all know. I think a president is deserved to be judge directly, and his action should be compared to Your and Our moral norms, but not a questionable action of another political person. This is a cheap trick, often btw used by Trump.

    I personally disagree with economical doctrine of democrats, i see some plusses and minuses in Obamacare, but as an educator, and a person who teaches student, I am strongly opposed of the new “post-truth” culture brought by Trump comain when we instead of arguments and facts use the words “treason” and everything what democrats do – “evil”.

    Take off your Soviet or anti-Soviet glasses, let’s have a dialogue. Let’s not bless the president but question him. “Let’s make America think again”

    • angar18

      “I do not see much difference between discussion about the killing
      president (btw, this will be terrible), and crowd cheering “lock her
      up”, or your statement, that calling for women march is a call for a war
      and should be considered as a treason.”

      I hope you wrote it in a kind of “tongue in cheek” style. If not-well, I’m sorry for myself. But your eloquence is quite impressive. BTW, I humbly disagree with you.

      • David

        Dear Angar, I agree that we should not put in one sentence the call “kill the president” and “lock her up”. But I can not stand the political dialog when a call for a march for whatever reason it is, as a call for a war and a treason. This country has already survived McCarthyism, and witch-hunting. As soon as I hear such words, for me the dialogue is over, I am loosing all interest to read an opinion of this person. And I am strongly against Trump culture, which is fully supported by this journalist.
        Would be interested to hear what specifically you disagree with?

        • angar18

          McCarthism happened to be well-justified. Quite possible we’ve read different revelations regarding it. There is no such term as the “Trump culture.” If you do mean that someone had guts to name issues their real names -well, I totally agree with many statements Trump had brought to the open discussion. I don’t want to go for the quite obvious issues which were thousand times discussed already. Again, if you mean witch-hunting as a different term for the “commie under every bed” then the eventual truth to a very high extend has justified that hunt also. I’m not a professor of political science and therefore I don’t want to be engaged in totally meaningless ( of course, my opinion only) and endless laundry of who is who and what is what. As I’ve mentioned earlier: let’s wait. I hope something will be changed the way it has been announced by Trump during his election campaign. I have a lot of expectations. Will they be realized? Of course, not all of them. But the intentions are very good. Much more than I could say about last 8 years. And, as you may judge, I in agreement with the excellent article Zhanna Sundeeva just posted.

          Respectfully

          • David

            I wish you are right. Sit and wait, how much good come from Trump. And bless our journalists who support, but not challenge our new authority.

            Sorry, we have different opinion about journalism excellence.

            She and/or you would probably can say that somebody paid me, or call me communist. This will only make me feel good. Evil Obama pays me.

            I started my assay by saying that I am new at Russian site. I am leaving with the opinion, that I have not missed much. This was an interesting anthropological tour. I learnt a lot. I will come back in a week, and check if somebody heard my arguments and can express thoughts but not emotions about prepaid rallies.

            good buy, my friend

  • Sergey Lyashenko

    И опять 5 баллов по советской школьной оценочной системе! Спасибо Жанна.

    “В ответ получала, как правило, письмо примерно такого содержания: «Дорогая Жанна, благодарим вас за поддержку нашей позиции… Надеемся, и дальше вы будете с нами…»” – У меня такая-же история с сайтом . Tак что Вы, Жанна, не одиноки. Они вообще НЕ читают что им пишут в ответ.

    • kstati

      Спасибо, Сергей… Очень нужна поддержка..

    • David

      Замечательно сказано. 5 баллов по советской системе. Не могу не согласиться.

  • angar18

    The bigotry and prejudice are almost funny. Just read.

    Melania as Jackie and Trump’s Angry Red Tie: The Politics of Inauguration Fashion

    Style is fast becoming a mission for Melania Trump. Hailed for channeling Jackie Kennedy at her husband’s inauguration, the White House website now boasts of her QVC jewelry range.

    TIM TEEMAN

    LIZZIE CROCKER

    01.20.17 12:37 PM ET

    A day of surreal optics, as the phrase goes, where every expression is parsed and gif’d instantaneously is necessarily a day about one wears—because what can speak louder in a day of powerful and symbolic imagery than what one is wearing and how one is wearing it?

    Then there is the rain, which can screw everything up.

    And so it was on Inauguration Day that the powerful engaged in a silent game of sartorial semiotics: the smiles and chitter-chatter of small-talk in smart suits and dresses concealing unbridgeable ideological and cultural differences, and the rancor of political battle—which, in an appropriately angry and apparently endless red tie, Donald Trump immediately ratcheted up in his angry, dystopian inauguration speech.

    CARLOS BARRIA / REUTERS

    If the commentators found themselves enraptured by Melania Trump wearing a powder-blue cashmere dress and matching bolero jacket by Ralph Lauren, which looked—as has been widely agreed—very Jackie O, circa JFK’s 1961 inauguration, Michelle Obama’s much simpler burgundy dress and coat held their own meaning.

    Mrs. Trump’s dress, which she wore with her hair up, moving with the same exacting grace as pop-culture’s most gracious puppet, Lady Penelope on Thunderbirds, was a dress that spoke of emphatic arrival and the assumption of power.

    It was a softly tailored suit of armor; the most feminine exemplar of power dressing, which Jackie Kennedy invented.

    If she is the style gold standard any First Lady must live in the shadow of, if not actively aspire to emulate, Mrs. Trump, who herself has spoken admiringly of Mrs. Kennedy, completed the look with retro, luxe-looking gloves.

    In so doing, Melania Trump transmits a meaningful message about the kind of First Lady she wants to be: stylish, iconic, a fashion plate, a First Lady synonymous with grace.

    But Mrs. Kennedy’s iconography is inextricably tied up with the iconography of Camelot and a certain period of American idealism and youth—and, as of yet at least, her husband’s White House does not stand for that. (See the movie Jackie, which makes the case that Jackie herself calculatingly and determinedly originated the Camelot legend.)

    The White House website, freshly scrubbed of its record on LGBT rights, climate change, and civil rights, now includes mention of Melania’s QVC jewelry range.

    VIA GETTY/REUTERS

    Up until the inauguration, the world of fashion had been split on the issue of dressing Mrs. Trump.

    Given her husband’s oratory towards minorities and women, and fears that LGBT equality will be under fire in his administration, many designers refused to dress her in protest.

    In dressing Mrs. Trump on inauguration day, Ralph Lauren became the highest-profile designer to dress the new First Lady.

    A spokesman for the designer said: “The presidential inauguration is a time for the United States to look our best to the world. It was important to us to uphold and celebrate the tradition of creating iconic American style for this moment.”

    Mrs. Trump has also worn Norisol Ferrari and Reem Acra at inauguration events; and, as The New York Times reported, Karl Lagerfeld has reportedly designed her gowns for the inauguration balls. All shall be revealed tonight.

    Lauren immediately faced protest on social media from those decrying his decision to dress Mr. Trump’s wife, and it will be fascinating to see two things—if those protests have any financial effect on him and other designers who dress Mrs. Trump, and if other designers are emboldened by Lauren to court her.

  • angar18

    Exactly. I’ve heard that discussion about “what’d happened if president-elect will be killed.” Never heard or read anything like that. Well, there are provisions for such potential course of events. They are official provisions, I’d say the protocol what to do. But that discussion was exactly what Zhanna just mentioned-poorly hidden attempt to instigate and incite.

    And just watch those in black clothes breaking windows in New York. Am sure that they are paid more than minimum wage-you see, their cause is “…so honorable…”

    And the last: I’m very glad that had a chance to watch DeNiro and Baldwin making old constipating monkeys of themselves in their attempts to ridicule President Trump.. No more movies with those two, for sure , in my “wish list.” And the same attitude from me to those “H” word celebrities. At least I still have this choice.

    Thank you, Zhanna, for the article. It has to be widely reprinted.

    • anti semite

      No more movies with those two, for sure , in my “wish list.”

      Зря Вы так, Ангар. Ребятам “не повезло” родиться в стране победившего капитализма. Политический консерватизм советской иммиграции определен нашим горьким опытом. Де Ниро- классный актер и ему по большому счету наплевать, кто ходит на его фильмы, а кто нет

      • David

        Не согласен с Вами обоими. Ребятам “повезло” мы просто все путаемся их нашей меркой мерить. А в отличии от Совка, здесь вся культура на этом держится. Попробовали бы вы Брежнева попародировать. На мой взгляд, это то что артисты и должны делать, и с Трампом и с Нилари. Только вот проблема что президент и его поклонники очень обидчивые 🙂

        • anti semite

          Давид, Вы где живете, сударь?
          Со времен Брежнева мир повернулся на 180. ПроГугли-те “Путин” и посмотрите , сколько дерьма выливают раскрепощенные граждане России. Совка давно нет, wake up , David

          • David

            Вы правы, сударь, совка давно нет, в мы все никак не можем смирится что нашего президента пародируют. Да и мыслим теме же категориями. Это выл ответ Ангару. А Вам я про “не повезло” ответил. Wake up 🙂

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